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Doc_Stormfury
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 Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 9:01 am Post subject: Is KPUndressed Dying? |
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Oh how the mighty have fallen..
It's funny that I write this but it seems that a lot of times when I come in to visit KPUundressed it's usually the same people I see over and over again Yumibow, Cow, Eadweard, Kothoga just to name the few who do correspond..
But as of late I've been gettinng worried. It seems that this forum and this group has fallen on hard times.. or that no one really cares about the sexual antics of a young adult woman, her boyfriend or his hairless rodent.
I mean I get so few responses from my stories It's making me wonder if I should take my work elsewhere where folks can enjoy it.. Sure it's story.. but still wouldn't folks want to read a story about the characters in the show getting into some rather interesting sexual positions and sitches?
I mean is this group dying or what?
Doc_Stormfury-- Resident KPU Story writer..
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| Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 2:19 pm Post subject: Re: Is KPUndressed Dying? |
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| Doc_Stormfury wrote: |
Oh how the mighty have fallen..
It's funny that I write this but it seems that a lot of times when I come in to visit KPUundressed it's usually the same people I see over and over again Yumibow, Cow, Eadweard, Kothoga just to name the few who do correspond..
But as of late I've been gettinng worried. It seems that this forum and this group has fallen on hard times.. or that no one really cares about the sexual antics of a young adult woman, her boyfriend or his hairless rodent.
I mean I get so few responses from my stories It's making me wonder if I should take my work elsewhere where folks can enjoy it.. Sure it's story.. but still wouldn't folks want to read a story about the characters in the show getting into some rather interesting sexual positions and sitches?
I mean is this group dying or what?
Doc_Stormfury-- Resident KPU Story writer.. |
I could not agree more, seems like the financially critics has hit KPU too.
Or we for some reason leck active writers and artists, beside thous who Doc already name + not forget DarkDP etc.
I hope dearly this will turn around and that we will survive this. |
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DeathPulse91
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| Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 10:15 pm Post subject: Re: Is KPUndressed Dying? |
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| ... or that no one really cares about the sexual antics of a young adult woman, her boyfriend or his hairless rodent. |
I think that has quite a lot to do with it. At this point, I would actually be surprised if some people remembered who or what the hairless naked mole rat was. Or that Ron is actually Kim's boyfriend and not just some doodle on Deviantart.
Warning, Pulse is going on a soapbox.
To me, it's just that the scene is completely different. It has very little or nothing to do with the actual characters we remember in interesting situations. Kim isn't Kim. Ron doesn't exist. And Shego probably has the worst of it. I've mentioned before that it's one thing when you become curious about an idea or fantasy you know would never happen (slash pairings for instance), but it's another when people take it so far that they actually get butthurt if you tell them certain things will never happen and even they themselves know it. We can really cut the crap about things we know aren't true, aren't going to be true, and were never true to begin with. Fantasize, go ahead. But don't sell me and try to convince me it's some stupid and hidden truth because you're an idiot who feels its your duty to shove your damn agenda down my throat. Whoever calls me a homophobe online should be proud; if you did it in my face I'd rip your damn nuts off because you're too damn stupid to have them.
I think the problem is that now the KP erotica scene is more about the porn than KP and the crew. Who's sleeping with who than enjoying little fantasies we wish would happen with the characters we grew attached to during the entirety of the show's run (and not just dropping in at the last second because of the porn and selling yourself off as a die-hard fan "DUR...I loved the porn and started watching the show!").
For instance, a couple of years ago Ron was seen as the man. If Shego wasn't your favorite character, Ron probably was if not Drakken. Most of us guys wish we had his luck with the ladies. Tara, Zita, Yori, Kim and even Bonnie. Go on 34 and some people go apeshit when Ron's in a picture as if he had little to do with the show. To me it's a feeling of disconnect, and it's not really just the porn scene but the fandom as a whole. Who cares about the cheerleader who can kick wacko villain butt with her goofy best friend and his naked mole rat when we just want to see her get raped by a tentacle monster again? I don't mean KPUndressed, which I continue to lurk around, but so much of the KP scene all around is just stale.
Then again, I ask this question. Are we here because we just want to see naked cartoon characters, or because we grew so obsessed with the show and its characters that we actually wanted to picture them in adult situations? I'm sure there were many of us who fell into the latter, but it seems like now it's dominated by the former. Something made KP special, and when StD ended it was everywhere in the fandom. Now it's almost like it never existed.
Of course, I've had many, many people tell me to ignore what's going on and just do what I like, and avoid what I dislike, but that's like telling me to eat a first-class dish when I lose my appetite from someone vomiting in my lap. With all the meaningless drama involved, it's hard to get excited about it. Even worse when it was something I was so obsessed with. Hell, I never drew erotica and released it online. Only KP. Not because I felt a need to compete, not because others wanted me to, not because I wanted the attention (HA), but because I didn't have enough Kim, Ron, Bonnie and Shego.
Now I see nothing but lifeless blow-up dolls made to appease a crowd and get attention. And a lot of times it's more about making a statement above all else, whether it be personal or political, and regardless of the quality the picture is instantly ruined for me. I'm almost embarrassed to call myself an artist when I see others who call themselves the same not draw the things they believe in, but draw the things they don't believe in because they realize "Oh, but no one will look at it unless it's what they want." Viewer count. Appeasement. Attention. That pathetic need to fuel that ego because one is so pathetically empty. The reaction from others. That's not being an artist. That's called being a damn tool just asking to be used and thrown away by others.
There are other things, but it's best I not bring it up here or else I'll make enemies out of too many people. But all in all, the scene's hard to be excited about when you have some people who have nothing more to live for than a stupid agenda, shove their tastes down others throats, egos, drama, pseudo fans who would change the show to appeal to their tastes, and a whole lot of other crap.
Fortunately KPUndressed still seems to be the most normal of the places where I can see erotic stuff, but now I feel like I'm the lone K/R artist (I hate to mention this, but especially with the fact that Argus is gone), and considering I haven't done anything in nearly a year, that's almost an empty statement. It's like wanting to see artwork out there that reminds you of the show you once loved, with the characters you love, and not finding it anywhere at all. And like being told to eat when you lost your appetite, it's like Kim Possible means something completely different than it once did, and no longer appealing the way it once was. I still see Kim and Ron whenever I look at porn, and I have every desire to finish the LBD series, and I would like to do it in honor of Argus, just having Kim and Ron make love without hiding the details. Just a goofy, lovable and innocent Ron Stoppable making sweet, hot, romantic love with the gorgeous dream girl he's known all his life, and Kim wanting to share that one special moment with him and only him, showing him and no one else that forbidden side of her with the desire of having him all to herself and everything he has to offer. But now every time I see Kim it's just a reminder of all the crap that goes on, and I don't have that desire to pick up the pencil once it comes to mind. It's like a poison. I almost have to tell myself repeatedly "Kim is in love with Ron. Ron is her boyfriend. She always gives him a kiss before departing, she would never betray him, Kim is NOT a lesbian... etc." It's like observing history when everyone else has rewritten it.
It's not KPUndressed, but the scene as a whole. And now I can't watch the show unless I want to spend hundreds on iTunes. Bought the first season when it first came out, only for it to have missing episodes, and eventually being replaced by higher-res videos with all of them. Don't know if it's worth it. But I look at what's out there and wondered why I bothered watching the series to begin with. But I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything, this is my own opinion. First it was "yeah, I want to throw my own stuff in the mix, and if someone ends up enjoying it, good for them." Now it's "Do I really want anything I do to get mixed up with the rest of this crap?"
Things change, but that doesn't mean it's for the better, and it doesn't mean I have to like it. I guess I just miss the days where I could easily fantasize about Kim doing something sexy for Ron with naughty thoughts for him, or Shego naked teasing Drakken covering herself with his leaves, without that feeling of isolation, or knowing that someone is going to scream their fantasy/delusion as truth and fact.
Then again, that's my thoughts as someone who watched the series from the beginning, grew obsessed with it, then became curious of adult situations after it originally ended. Not someone who was into toon porn and decided Kim was the next target. Agree or disagree, don't make the mistake of assuming I care. But those are my thoughts on the matter.
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Thanks, DP, for an excellent "rant." You make some great points throughout, and I tend to agree with you. What initially drew me to this site, alone of all the KP sites, was it's respect for the storyline: Kim and Ron, Shego and Drakken (we had to wait for the finale to be sure of that). Since the show's end, the fantasies have expanded to include any character with any other character, in any situation. I suppose that is almost inevitable with any show; the lack of original (official) material leads peoples' imaginations down every road possible. I still prefer the original pairings, but this broad diversity that has cropped-up can still be good for the KP-universe in that it will keep the "show" alive, keep the sites on-line. The loud voices seem to prefer Kim, for example, being an insatiable nymphomaniac. Consider them the dung from which a real flowering of KP art can grow, art like yours, DP. Your art may seem to be pearls before swine, but you can make a silk purse from a sow's ear (all this H1N1 talk is getting to me). There are still plenty of us out here who WANT Kim and Ron to enjoy each other, and only each other. Your art honors that premise, as do few others. And where can we go to experience our favorite couple coupling? Sites like this, and due to a lack of participation, their number is shrinking. How to keep them alive? By welcoming ALL interpretations. Even that may not be successful in the long-run (anybody heard from Bondsnake?). All we can do, all anyone can do, is follow your own path and ignore the briars and swamps that line the way. [thus endeth my 2.5 cents]
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Doc_Stormfury
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| Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 7:09 am Post subject: And us storywriters need something too.. feedback |
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| Thanks, DP, for an excellent "rant." You make some great points throughout, and I tend to agree with you. What initially drew me to this site, alone of all the KP sites, was it's respect for the storyline: Kim and Ron, Shego and Drakken (we had to wait for the finale to be sure of that). Since the show's end, the fantasies have expanded to include any character with any other character, in any situation. I suppose that is almost inevitable with any show; the lack of original (official) material leads peoples' imaginations down every road possible. I still prefer the original pairings, but this broad diversity that has cropped-up can still be good for the KP-universe in that it will keep the "show" alive, keep the sites on-line. The loud voices seem to prefer Kim, for example, being an insatiable nymphomaniac. Consider them the dung from which a real flowering of KP art can grow, art like yours, DP. Your art may seem to be pearls before swine, but you can make a silk purse from a sow's ear (all this H1N1 talk is getting to me). There are still plenty of us out here who WANT Kim and Ron to enjoy each other, and only each other. Your art honors that premise, as do few others. And where can we go to experience our favorite couple coupling? Sites like this, and due to a lack of participation, their number is shrinking. How to keep them alive? By welcoming ALL interpretations. Even that may not be successful in the long-run (anybody heard from Bondsnake?). All we can do, all anyone can do, is follow your own path and ignore the briars and swamps that line the way. [thus endeth my 2.5 cents] |
And also let's not forget the story writers, After all I can take the Middleton Red Shoe Diaries wherever the fans want it, but it requires one thing and one thing alone.. Feedback from the readers.
How many times have I asked for feedback? A lot.. I mean I want Kim and Ron to have a romantic relationship.. Same thing goes with Shego and Drakken? And Kigo? Well while the thought has crossed my mind, I tend to put the situation into a sense that Kim and Shego really don't like each other (but in a way get them into a room with their perspective boyfriends/lovers and they'll have fun with them.
The Problem is that I don't get enough feedback for my stories and that is what hurts the most.. I mean right now, sure I got Bonnie with Tara and Monique with Brick, It was fairly obvious that Brick would rather hang with a more classy lady like Monique rather than with a beyotch like Bonnie. (To Leave Bonnie lonely isn't an answer either, I thought of bringing in a non-descript character who eventually is removed from Bonnie's life (not by an accident or a death, but rather by the fact that he thinks Bonnie's job is too demeaning..)
But do I want the sex, the romance, the drama as it were? of course I do, I just want feedback..
That's the issue with today's group.. there's far too few people to comment about this.. I would like more people commenting..
But until then I guess I have to just listen to what the current fans want.
and it's a shame really.. no feedback is the worst.. Not knowing where to take your story is perhaps the worst thought to me..
But then Like I said, I love to see feedback.
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| Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 7:09 am Post subject: And us storywriters need something too.. feedback |
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| eadweard wrote: |
| Thanks, DP, for an excellent "rant." You make some great points throughout, and I tend to agree with you. What initially drew me to this site, alone of all the KP sites, was it's respect for the storyline: Kim and Ron, Shego and Drakken (we had to wait for the finale to be sure of that). Since the show's end, the fantasies have expanded to include any character with any other character, in any situation. I suppose that is almost inevitable with any show; the lack of original (official) material leads peoples' imaginations down every road possible. I still prefer the original pairings, but this broad diversity that has cropped-up can still be good for the KP-universe in that it will keep the "show" alive, keep the sites on-line. The loud voices seem to prefer Kim, for example, being an insatiable nymphomaniac. Consider them the dung from which a real flowering of KP art can grow, art like yours, DP. Your art may seem to be pearls before swine, but you can make a silk purse from a sow's ear (all this H1N1 talk is getting to me). There are still plenty of us out here who WANT Kim and Ron to enjoy each other, and only each other. Your art honors that premise, as do few others. And where can we go to experience our favorite couple coupling? Sites like this, and due to a lack of participation, their number is shrinking. How to keep them alive? By welcoming ALL interpretations. Even that may not be successful in the long-run (anybody heard from Bondsnake?). All we can do, all anyone can do, is follow your own path and ignore the briars and swamps that line the way. [thus endeth my 2.5 cents] |
And also let's not forget the story writers, After all I can take the Middleton Red Shoe Diaries wherever the fans want it, but it requires one thing and one thing alone.. Feedback from the readers.
How many times have I asked for feedback? A lot.. I mean I want Kim and Ron to have a romantic relationship.. Same thing goes with Shego and Drakken? And Kigo? Well while the thought has crossed my mind, I tend to put the situation into a sense that Kim and Shego really don't like each other (but in a way get them into a room with their perspective boyfriends/lovers and they'll have fun with them.
The Problem is that I don't get enough feedback for my stories and that is what hurts the most.. I mean right now, sure I got Bonnie with Tara and Monique with Brick, It was fairly obvious that Brick would rather hang with a more classy lady like Monique rather than with a beyotch like Bonnie. (To Leave Bonnie lonely isn't an answer either, I thought of bringing in a non-descript character who eventually is removed from Bonnie's life (not by an accident or a death, but rather by the fact that he thinks Bonnie's job is too demeaning..)
But do I want the sex, the romance, the drama as it were? of course I do, I just want feedback..
That's the issue with today's group.. there's far too few people to comment about this.. I would like more people commenting..
But until then I guess I have to just listen to what the current fans want.
and it's a shame really.. no feedback is the worst.. Not knowing where to take your story is perhaps the worst thought to me..
But then Like I said, I love to see feedback.
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Guess I need to apologize, Doc. I started reading your story, and what I'd read was good, but then I slacked off. To be absolutely truthful, one reason I had done so was when you announced you'd made revisions to what had already been posted. So, I set the story aside with the intent of returning, giving you time to do any revisions you needed to do with the other chapters then posted. But, time passed and I just didn't return. I really need to, if for no other reason than to satisfy my own curiosity as to what happened after I stopped reading; probably need to start over. So, give me a few days to re-tackle MRSD. Any hoot, all that I said about artists, obviously, goes just as well for writers.
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| Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 10:23 pm Post subject: What I have planned.. and what I need.. |
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| Guess I need to apologize, Doc. I started reading your story, and what I'd read was good, but then I slacked off. To be absolutely truthful, one reason I had done so was when you announced you'd made revisions to what had already been posted. So, I set the story aside with the intent of returning, giving you time to do any revisions you needed to do with the other chapters then posted. But, time passed and I just didn't return. I really need to, if for no other reason than to satisfy my own curiosity as to what happened after I stopped reading; probably need to start over. So, give me a few days to re-tackle MRSD. Any hoot, all that I said about artists, obviously, goes just as well for writers. |
Well the first 11 chapters are done in reality, and in fact I'll be adding Chapter 12 shortly (I hope, provided RL Doesn't interviene)
The Main question I had for Chapter 12 was the fact that I really had two choices to go with..
Either I could do a Kim/Ron Romance story where Kim and Ron don't have sex (But they start to explore the ideas about it )
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Do more with Bonnie, Tara and Sheela/Shego in a story..
I've chose the following path so if you want an idea on what will happen then read on..
What I plan to do is do the Kim and Ron romancing first in Chapter 12, followed by the Bonnie, Tara and Sheela thing. (In chapter 13 there is stirpping but no sex as we have to have Tara get to know "Emerald" a bit better.)
But then in Chapter 14, it's where the story takes a slight veer off course as Tara and Josh Mankey get into the mix (After all this chapter revolves around Josh and Tara (and yes Tara is definitely bi and doesn't mind the boyfriend she's got..(of course soon we'll be doing more with Bonnie again, as we delve into finally giving her a BF (And no it's not Junior as he'll come later, but rather a short term BF who was a bit of a 'bit player' in the series.. and for those who Don't know what I'm talking about I'm refering to this guy:
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Now for those of you who have no real clue to who this is, I've surmised that this is in fact Jason Morgan (the Captain of the Baseball team at Middleton High..After all if you look at this screencap in So the Drama, you get the same guy.
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You can see Tara just to the left of Kim and it's probably the same guy Tara had in the episode Steal wheels..
But girls can be fickle, and just like any girl, Josh is Tara's main interest again during the summer.. so there we go.. we set up a 'sitch' which will be interesting indeed.
But the real question is feedback.. I mean I got at least 31 stories I can play with and the plots are numerous..I just would like feedback on what folks would like to see..
And yes I've been making those small revisions to reflect the story but now that we got the bugs worked out it's time to see what folks really want.. After all I got plenty of stories to choose from and lots of potential here..
So let's hear some of the feedback after you read the chapters up so far.
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